Personally I agree about people being polite, genuine politeness is something of a rarity these days to be quite honest with you so on the odd occasion it's nice to meet someone who's actually got some respect.

For those of us old enough to remember what this scene used to be like i.e. the days before mp3's existed you would have to approach someone in a club or at a place like Music House for example so there was no question, if you intend to strike up a relationship with anyone face to face you're going to have to be polite otherwise you'd just be told to piss off. I think the same applies to chatting to someone via AIM.

I've just started producing within the last 9 months or so and generally when sending tracks to people I don't normally leave a message with people I know get 100+ demos a week, I send the files zipped up with the contact information on them.

I can fully understand what a headache it must be especially when a high percentage of stuff is not up to standard. Not getting a response from someone is something I expect anyway for the moment, unless the tracks I've sent are something special.

Maybe somewhere down the line I'll start up my own label so I'll see what it's like first hand, I'd love to be able to reply to everyone but let's be realistic here, that's a whole other job in itself.

It's nice to know what some label owners think anyway, just because it's D&B and it's something your familiar with doesn't mean you have to drop your standards.

Feel free to grab my AIM and send me some abuse if you like... I just might like it ;)

Mike/MR2

LOL!!!

i just read this all today, hadn't touched this thread since march
this puts the Pyro vs Imagination Forces thread in a whole new perspective

Very helpful indeed..

sorry but this is one of the lamest excusse...

this is how i see it...
some dude makes a tune...he sents it for the first time to some big label...the big label likes that tune and releases it...then other labels release that dudes tunes just because of his first "big" release no matter if they are shitty cuz he is on big label now...
and thats why a lot of shit is being released ;)

labels are politicians in music...just following the money and bad for music

agreed with IMPLANT
with exceptions offcourse

These kinda opinions get thrown around by ppl that don't have any experience running labels, typical of this site imo. That's idealistic thinking that simply isn't reality and based on an assumption.

Too many ppl are in a rush to get 'signed' and sending out terrible music way before they are ready and that will go to the bottom of the pile next time while you focus on those that are doing something interesting, the same way you select what tracks to buy and from which artists you keep your eye on. If you get 100+ a week you'd see what I'm talking about¬! Abit of patience will get a budding artist a long way these days. Good music will get more attention, its not rocket science.

There's always this notion here that labels are trying to fuck over new artists. Labels owner will run there labels how they see fit, they owe nothing to anyone apart from the artists they look after and their customers.

Label are just ppl releasing music they like by ppl they like, there's no conspiracy and there ain't any money in it either.

The game is not rigged and the cream always rises to the top!!

Thanks for the tunes btw! Good luck with the label

NPs and thx alot, we do our best

lol

without labels you wouldent have half the music out there for consumption, you've obviously had bad experiences with a label, why let that tarnish the others? i've dealt with some totally idiotic producers who i've come to think of as parasites trying to big up their status with nothing to back it up, should i then look upon other producers in that way due to the actions of a few?

and FYI, we're not exactly driving around in bmw's on 22" wheels, we work hard and invest lots of time and even more money just to get a few tracks out on vinyl, i dont appriciate people who clearly don't know the half of what it takes to run a label trying to imply that im in this to earn money, when anyone involved with tech drum and bass knows that it's a fruitless task that usually ends with me pumping the money i should be using to eat and pay rent into other peoples music so that a handful of 'fans' can download low-fi rips from rapidshare.

dnb, big in the game.

yes

sorry if my posts look dramaticc but im just expressin my opinion...just making conversation
partly im talking about dnb labels but mostly about labels in general...

@Raiden:
all i am saying is when you have demo submission and someone sends you a demo at least you can do is listen to it
no chat no aynthing... someone sends you a demo with his contact info in filename and if you like it you contact him if not you dont...end of story
....just sayin that producers shouldnt be judge by hteir first tune they sent to some demo submission...

@tn1
i didnt have any bad expirience with labels...i really dont care about labels...i do music for fun and cuz i love to do it
you missed the point...i know that dnb isnt fountaint of money...and i know that love for this music is in the first place
with that statement i meant to say that labels play bigger part in world of music than quality music
labels decide if something will be released and shown to the world or not...thats all

@Implant: I have to disagree considering the label's status. The label and its artists go in to a symbiosis. It isnt the truth labels just buy music and that's that. The label cant grow if there were no artists. And: I have to agree with Raiden: If you send demos, your first few tunes decide if you listen to more demos of the same artists. For sure, it is not fair to judge an artist for his first tune, but if you receive 10 tunes, and one is not that bad for instant puke, you have an impression of that artist and thus you dont expect big things of the artist.

this is something i wanted to say in previous post but i thought its going to go far away :D

people make music... in order to distribute that music and show it to some audience they need label right?
so labels are there to promote and sell music and share benefit with artist...

so this is where that symbiosis ends... going further into this digital age people eventually will stop needin labels cuz with interent myspace facebook twitter soundcloud forums etc etc. people can promote their own music...
as for selling music...artists also have ability now to sell their own tunes on various sites so they actually dont need labels

demos...i think it takes you about 1-2 minutes to listen and to decide if the tune is good enough to consider signing it
i know its a drag to listen to all demo submissions with all that other label business...thats why labels should have someone whos job will be to listen to demos
i dont expect for example Raiden to do music, gigs, run offkey (and voodoo now) and to listen to demos...
the thing that i expect from a label (not label owner) is that it has one, two or three if its necessary guys that will work on demo submissions...they gonna send their picks to label owner and he will decide whats hot and whats not

again...just my opinion... ;)

I got the impression you are complaining about your own experience. Dunno, but this what the read tells me. Sorry if I am wrong.
Your point labels are not really necessary and artists can promote themselves etc is right, but limited imo.
These days labels are more important than ever before imo, cause they are an essential filter for the consumers. If you run a good label your fans know what the sound is and which quality standards you have. And we dont need to discuss that you wont earn much money out of only selling tunes, dnb wise. It is more a image management you got to do, at least this is what I am thinking.
The internet made it so easy to run a label, and on the negative side you got trillions of labels which release crap after crap, and then there comes even more crap. In this case I DO agree labels are not really essential. On the other hand as mentioned above due to the crap-releasing philosophy or whatever of shit labels, other good labels have the chance to be a decisive peak out of the mass of bullshit. Thus it is an oppurtunity. Imo, imho etcpp....